Curse

ibex333 · Sep 12, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

I don't know about you guys, but for the first time in a long time, I'm actually having some fun with my Rit! Not only that, people in parties find me useful and compliment me on a nice idea.

This is not just for Rits. Any class can do this.

I used to complain in the past about the Rit being useless(you can probably find my 2 month old thread somewhere here) and while I discovered that a Rit is not useless(many farming capabilities, some nice utility spirits), that still doesn't change the fact that I'm not well accepted in PUGs(unless I heal) and the fact that Rits are neglected by Anet. Proof of this is the lack of useful new Rit skills, constant nerfs, dependence on spirits, and lack of cool looking items/weapons and armors. (in GWEN that is)

Before I go on, I'd like to say that Assasin's Promise on a Rit is NOT my idea. There was a build on wiki a long time ago called "Offensive Promiser" and having been quite successful with it, I applied it toward the new PvE skills.

Some of the nice uses include "spamming" Asura summons, Radiation field, and many more. One of the most useful applications I found for AP is with Ebon Vanguard wards. Being able to maintain the skill recharge and armor wards pretty much at all times gets a lot of "thank you's" from the eles in the party and whoever else has poor defense and long skill recharge time.

Best of all, the Rit can no longer be excluded from any party as long as the party leader is not a moran and knows how useful the new PvE skills can be.

IMO, this is a blessing for all those Rits who are tired of the fact that most Rit skills require a spirit of some sort. Maybe that is exactly why Anet put so many PvE skills in GWEN?

Dr Strangelove · Sep 12, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Nice idea, but it's hardly something unique to rits.

Aethon · Sep 12, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Unless you're running some specific Ritualist skills that compliment the PvE skills, how would running a Rt/A like this be better than any other casting profession whose primary attribute actually helps do *something*?

Although one does have to admit that Great Dwarf Weapon ain't too bad, 'specially with Spirit's Strength and Asuran Scan (need another person for GDW, but that just means running two of this build for double ownage). I also have to wonder if Asuran Scan affects damage from Painful Bond + Anguish...I gotta test that out sometime.

It is kind of odd to think that they put in PvE skills so that we can effectively replace all of the skills that come naturally with the profession, though. I don't think that's what they intended, especially considering that there are no new PvE only urns or binding rituals.

akh · Sep 12, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

If I understand it correctly, you use assasin elite to spam title track pve skills. How does it make Rit any better ?

ibex333 · Sep 12, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Nice idea, but it's hardly something unique to rits.

Well, there are people who don't know about this.

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Originally Posted by Aethon

Unless you're running some specific Ritualist skills that compliment the PvE skills, how would running a Rt/A like this be better than any other casting profession whose primary attribute actually helps do *something*?

I didnt say it's BETTER. I meant : Now we can actually be useful to ANYONE in the party and we don't have to stick to spirits anymore.

Although one does have to admit that Great Dwarf Weapon ain't too bad, 'specially with Spirit's Strength and Asuran Scan (need another person for GDW, but that just means running two of this build for double ownage). I also have to wonder if Asuran Scan affects damage from Painful Bond + Anguish...I gotta test that out sometime.

It is kind of odd to think that they put in PvE skills so that we can effectively replace all of the skills that come naturally with the profession, though. I don't think that's what they intended, especially considering that there are no new PvE only urns or binding rituals.
No, that is not what I meant. I didn't say anything about replacing. I meant that because we now have these PvE skills, we no longer have to use some of the lame/useless skills we have.

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Originally Posted by akh

If I understand it correctly, you use assasin elite to spam title track pve skills. How does it make Rit any better ?

Well... Think about it! Unless someone in your party has exactly the same build, you are the only one who can use the PvE skills as much as you want, when everyone else has to wait for them to recharge. This means you providing your party with a constant supply of faster skill recharge, damage, armor or condition spread. That and many other things... And did I mention you dont have to wait till your skills recharge unlike the other party members?

PS: Please read what assassin promise actually does. I'm not sure you fully grasp how it is benefiting you exactly.

Off course I fully understand that the PvE skills only take 3 slots.. What about the rest? Well, you can use shadowsong for extra blind, dissonance for interrupt, a hard rez and many other things...

akh · Sep 12, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

That wasn't my point. I know how assasin's promise works and I didn't say that your skill setup isn't effective.

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Best of all, the Rit can no longer be excluded from any party as long as the party leader is not a moran and knows how useful the new PvE skills can be.

My point is that you use non-rit elite to recharge non rit-exclusive skills. Yes, its good mix but it hardly makes Rit class bettter or more enjoyable.

ibex333 · Sep 12, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by akh

That wasn't my point. I know how assasin's promise works and I didn't say that your skill setup isn't effective.

My point is that you use non-rit elite to recharge non rit-exclusive skills. Yes, its good mix but it hardly makes Rit class bettter or more enjoyable.

No.. Definitely not better. When I was talking about "usefulness" I meant that thanx to new PvE skills the Rit can find a place in more PUGs. That doesn't mean that the Rit class itself is somehow made better or more useful. It means that those who have a Rit, and cant find a good use for their skills or are simply bored with the way a Ritualist is played, now have something new to try.

More enjoyable? Well, maybe until you get bored with the new PvE skills?

Like I said, I was actually having some fun recently which is not typical for me these days. The constant spirit dependence really killed it for me.

isamu kurosawa · Sep 12, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

you state anet are neglected by anet because because of constant nerfs when infact that is quite the opposite as it shows how much attention they bring to the devs. Also i believe Rts have some of the best armour in the game and would prefer to play a Rt as intended.

you may not enjoy it, but some people do like playing Rt for the use of spirits+weapon spells.

GaladrielMoloch · Sep 12, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51

All this really comes across as is an underhanded swipe at Rits, if you don't like them or find them enjoyable, ok; as has been stated the Rit build does nothing to really influence the new PvE only skills particularly when combined with an Assassin Elite.

You are letting your opinion of the "lack of anything good for Rits" overrule any possible proper judgment on it

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 13, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Why would I ever need the OP's idea when the Ritualist is already great?

ibex333 · Sep 13, 2007, 03:08 AM // 03:08

How did this turn into a thread where we argue about the Rit usefulness and greatness? Look guys.. Whether you agree or not, there are many people that think the Rit is indeed neglected, crippled and not well thought out class. My "non original" idea is meant for those people so they can have some fun without deleting their Rit just because they are bored with a Rit as a class.

This thread is not designed to whine about how I'm unhappy with the Rit. This is not my intent at all. I've already done that in the past.

I emphasized the "neglect", "nerfs" and boredom to accentuate the main idea here... A change of pace for those who had enough of the Rit class the way it is at the moment.

Why are some people still arguing the fact that Assasins promise doesnt bring anything new to the Rit class? By new you mean exactly what? The "new" factor here is a "new" play style! Assasin's promise is NOT changing the Rit, it is not making the Rit a new class! It is meant to bring something new and fun to the table for those that never heard of Assasin's promise used in this way. For those that know about this already, it's nothing new off course, but then what are you even doing replying to this thread?

Maybe we are arguing for the sake of arguing?

isamu kurosawa · Sep 13, 2007, 09:57 AM // 09:57

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Originally Posted by ibex333

How did this turn into a thread where we argue about the Rit usefulness and greatness? Look guys.. Whether you agree or not, there are many people that think the Rit is indeed neglected, crippled and not well thought out class. My "non original" idea is meant for those people so they can have some fun without deleting their Rit just because they are bored with a Rit as a class.

This thread is not designed to whine about how I'm unhappy with the Rit. This is not my intent at all. I've already done that in the past.

I emphasized the "neglect", "nerfs" and boredom to accentuate the main idea here... A change of pace for those who had enough of the Rit class the way it is at the moment.

Why are some people still arguing the fact that Assasins promise doesnt bring anything new to the Rit class? By new you mean exactly what? The "new" factor here is a "new" play style! Assasin's promise is NOT changing the Rit, it is not making the Rit a new class! It is meant to bring something new and fun to the table for those that never heard of Assasin's promise used in this way. For those that know about this already, it's nothing new off course, but then what are you even doing replying to this thread?

Maybe we are arguing for the sake of arguing?

Despite what you think though, many people believe the Rt is a decent and fun profession to play and those who dont simply don't play one, not use skills from a different profession so they can play a Rt just for how it looks (which you also stated you dont like).
So to people here, what you posted makes no sense whatsoever as it can be done by any profession, and in the case of the assassin even more efficiently.

If you don't like ritualists so much then why do you insist on playing one, especially not as a Rt?

akh · Sep 13, 2007, 12:07 PM // 12:07

The reason why people don't think Rit is useful is lack of cookie cutter builds for them. Necros have their SS and MM, Eles = SFers 90% of the time. PUG players don't know what to expect from Rit as the only cookie cutter build (spirit spammer) has been nerfed. I may enjoy playing my channeling/resto hybrid (SW, ancestor's + party-wide heals and condition removal) but I know I won't be welcomed in average PUG party. New PvE skills hardly change anything unless it becomes cookie cutter build, thats what PUGs expect from any class.

ibex333 · Sep 25, 2007, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Despite what you think though, many people believe the Rt is a decent and fun profession to play and those who dont simply don't play one, not use skills from a different profession so they can play a Rt just for how it looks (which you also stated you dont like).
So to people here, what you posted makes no sense whatsoever as it can be done by any profession, and in the case of the assassin even more efficiently.

If you don't like ritualists so much then why do you insist on playing one, especially not as a Rt?

and despite what you think, many OTHER people are not as happy with their Rits.
Did I say that what I described here CANT be done by any profession? Please, show me where I said that! What I meant is, those rits who are not happy with the way things are can benefit from something new. Something that for "cookie cutter" professions/builds simply isn't necessary nor wanted.

I didn't say I don't like my Rit. I said I want having any more fun with him. I'd be glad to try a new profession, but I put too much time and effort into this toon. Starting all those titles over on another one would be a waste of time, an an immense grind. I'm trying NOT to spend more than 2-3 hours in GW per day so I really don't have the time or desire to start over.

Either way, I ask that a mod please close this thread because it didn't receive any positive comments, therefore it has no place here. Thank you.

OlMurraniKasale · Oct 14, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25

I am totally confused. If you are a primary Rit, how can you use an elite from another profession (heroes can of course). Or did I miss an important update somewhere that says you can? I don't see any elites in my drop downs from other professions except those of Ritualists, so you can imagine my confusion.

Dodo The Extinct · Oct 14, 2007, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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I am totally confused. If you are a primary Rit, how can you use an elite from another profession (heroes can of course). Or did I miss an important update somewhere that says you can? I don't see any elites in my drop downs from other professions except those of Ritualists, so you can imagine my confusion.

Anybody can use elites of other proffessions. That is possible because of secondary proffesions. A Ritualist can choose the secondary of Assassin and have all of the assassin skills available to them; including elites.

This means that a Ritualist can use Assassin's Promise, because they are Rt/A. They simply cap it, and put points into Deadly Arts.

Of course, it is important to mention that you cannot put points into the primary attribute of your secondary profession. This means a Ritualist cannot put points into Critical Strikes, because that is the Assassin's primary attribute.

OlMurraniKasale · Oct 14, 2007, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Dodo The Extinct

Anybody can use elites of other proffessions. That is possible because of secondary proffesions. A Ritualist can choose the secondary of Assassin and have all of the assassin skills available to them; including elites.

This means that a Ritualist can use Assassin's Promise, because they are Rt/A. They simply cap it, and put points into Deadly Arts.

Of course, it is important to mention that you cannot put points into the primary attribute of your secondary profession. This means a Ritualist cannot put points into Critical Strikes, because that is the Assassin's primary attribute.

I have capped many elites for my heroes, but they never appear in my list of available skills for me - only for the heroes who have that profession primary or secondary. I figured it was an extra for heroes ANet gave them because heroes can't have PvE skills. I have 8 different toons, and never have I seen an elite from a profession available to me when it was a secondary profession.

Dear lord, I've been playing for 2 years and this is the first time I've heard of such a thing. I'm going to redo the screen to see if they show, and if not, I am sending in a note! grrr

k3mikal · Oct 21, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Why would I ever need the OP's idea when the Ritualist is already great?

I agree, Rits are awsome the way they are. Didnt you try a spiker build in PvE? I'm making my way through GW:EN, finished the Norn and Ebon vanguards quests without partying with other players once. All you need are a few tanks (Koss and a henchie do great) to hold foes off while you spam rifts all over.
Definitely not a neglected/nerfed profession like you mentioned.

And about your idea, using non-rit related skills kinda makes the whole thing pointless. (I think someone mentioned this as well in the thread). Wouldnt it be better to just use an assasin for this kind of build?

But otherwise, kudos on trying a new approach (even if it wasnt your idea).